10:06:51	 From  David Kay : I've heard Rabago present on the results of the model runs, not much on the model itself.
10:10:59	 From  Chris Carrick : According to the UC Energy Institute, the VCE model projects savings under "optimal" deployment whereas historically deployment has not been optimal. https://energyathaas.wordpress.com/2021/07/26/will-investing-big-in-distributed-solar-save-us-billions/
10:13:57	 From  Robert Perry, Synergistic Solutions (he/him) : Hi Everyone: some recommended reading in advance of tomorrow's call: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-13/california-proposes-big-changes-to-rooftop-solar-incentives?utm_id=44543&sfmc_id=1398845https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-13/californi&sfmc_id=1398845
10:14:04	 From  Shalom Flank : Is the total amount of distributed plus utility scale storage the same as the utility-scale only storage?
10:14:10	 From  Chris Carrick : As I understand it, most of the benefits from the distributed-level deployment comes from storage (batteries) whereas few customers to date install batteries
10:14:11	 From  Ben Schwartz : The UC Energy Institute critique only demonstrates the need to include DER in the planning process and optimize the deployment of resources via location-based incentives.
10:14:40	 From  Robert Perry, Synergistic Solutions (he/him) : Apologies, here is the correct link for the LA Times story: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-13/california-proposes-big-changes-to-rooftop-solar-incentives
10:15:28	 From  Baird Brown : How do they determine what is “optimal”. If there were a level playing field, we could actually figure out if optimal was far more distributed than they say.
10:15:28	 From  David Kay : Chris's observation accords with what I understood too.  The model is designed to enable analysis at time and geographic scales that capture optimization options otherwise missed.  In addition to the smoothing Moneer is discussing, Rabago highlighted in a CA model the result that policy and most other modeling incorrectly/misleadingly assigns transmission costs to DER.
10:17:26	 From  Chris Carrick : Did the RMI study compare cost/benefit of storage vs. an over-building and curtailment strategy?
10:22:57	 From  James Orenstein : Any comments on the role of Community Scale (generally 500 kW - 2 MW located on the local distribution grid)?
10:25:01	 From  Myra’s iPhone (2) : Land use for Utility scale vs. DER - in Ohio thousands of productive farmland acres are going to Utility Scale. What is impact of DER in regard to DER?
10:27:22	 From  David Kay : Myra, not sure what you mean by the impact of DER in regard to DER...  can you explain?
10:30:18	 From  Myra’s iPhone (2) : Meant to type “DER in comparison to utility Scale”
10:31:23	 From  Moneer Azzam : https://www.beaconclimate.com/post/racing-with-climate-change-part-ii
10:32:22	 From  Moneer Azzam : https://www.beaconclimate.com/post/racing-with-climate-change-speeding-the-energy-transition
10:37:47	 From  Robert Perry, Synergistic Solutions (he/him) : For tomorrow: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-13/california-proposes-big-changes-to-rooftop-solar-incentives
10:38:03	 From  David Duperrault : Bob is articulating what I was thinking but more skillfully.
10:41:12	 From  David Duperrault : We do need to be able to talk with regulators, legislators and policy makers. Until they get past their grid-IOU centric world view, it is useful to show them the value to the grid, as we educate them to take a consumer=focused perspective.
10:41:52	 From  Chris Carrick : Starting Jan. 1, we will pay a "solar tax" here in NY too - $1.13/kW/month in National Grid, $0.91/kw/month in NYSEG territory
10:44:00	 From  Chris Carrick : There is certainly value to folks who have no power after a hurricane but can power their cell phones b/c their neighbor has solar and batteries
10:44:01	 From  David Kay : Another problem with many optimizing frameworks is that they compare starting points to optimal endpoints but don't suggest realistic pathways from where we start to where we want to end up.
10:48:41	 From  Chris Carrick : I'm not sure that the investor-owned utilities are ignoring the customer - isn't their argument largely based on the predicate of protecting low-income customers from unfair "cost-shifting" from higher-income owners of solar systems? Not sure how municipal utilities or CCAs are exempt from this line of argument
10:54:12	 From  Robert Perry, Synergistic Solutions (he/him) : Regulators should not be penalizing adopters on the basis of cost shift. Instead, they should be incentivizing adoption in LMI communities.
10:54:33	 From  Baird Brown : Yes they are saying that even while they ignore the needs of low income customers.  They have a model of their “regulatory compact” that started being service to all comers, but has turned into a system that supports the energy use of the wealthy on rates charged to all.
10:58:27	 From  Shalom Flank : Thank you, Moneer -- great topic!
11:01:12	 From  Baird Brown : I don’t disagree with Richard for what it is worth.